April 19, 1993
OK, I know this is not Sunday, but I still would like to know if you can remember where you were and what some of your first thoughts were when you heard that the siege at the Branch Davidian Church had turned into a full scale attack. Has your opinion changed over the years? A lot of historical events have taken place on April 19 since our country was young. This is one of them that we must never forget.
I hope you will take a little time today to think of some brave Americans that stood up to the most powerful military of the time on this day in 1775, and have a Happy Patriots Day.
God Bless America, God Save The Republic.
I hope you will take a little time today to think of some brave Americans that stood up to the most powerful military of the time on this day in 1775, and have a Happy Patriots Day.
God Bless America, God Save The Republic.
posted by David Schantz | 1:17 AM
15 Comments:
David, my friend...
Thank you for blogging. There is nothing else I care to add at this time.... just thank you for blogging, Sir....
Blog ON... and ON... and ON...
GTL -
On the day when Branch Davidian was finally "resolved," I was in class teaching. At the end of the school day, I had carpool-line duty, and one of the mothers picking up her children was absolutely ecstatic that the compound had been raided. I didn't understand her glee at all. IMO, the feds overstepped their powers that day, and I thought so from the beginning of the siege.
Thank you for reminding us of the importance of this date in 1775.
"...what some of your first thoughts were when you heard that the siege at the Branch Davidian Church had turned into a full scale attack."
Well, first I'll admit that I didn't hear about this until long after it was "resolved," because, well, I was four when it happened. So, for myself, there's really not a whole lot of room for my opinion to evolve unless I get more facts.
That being the case, I think the whole thing was poorly orchastrated, though I doubt there was intentional misdeeds on the part of our government. It was a frustrating crisis and people acted irresponsibly in managing, but not necessarily negligently or intentionally wrong. But, as I've said, I was very young and so all my information was garnered only after the facts had time to blur.
I meant fourteen, not four. Not quite as young, but still very much oblivious.
I will try to leave a longer comment in the near future.
Stephanie,
You should watch Waco, The Rules Of Engagement for information on what happened. It is on the Documentary channel and the Free Speech TV all the time.
All I am going to say is that once again, Janet Reno is a terrorist and should be in a military prison, in my opinion.
One of the most horrifying days in the history of our nation. A calculated attack on innocent civilians exercising their rights. However, a gentle reminder to all: the incident began (and was escalated by) under the regime of Bush One and taken to conclusion by Clinton. I have little faith if anything would be done differently by the current regime.
I hate to admit it, but I didn't give much thought to the Branch Davidian raid at the time. I was against it, but I just thought of it as "oh yeah, that cult group" and didn't give it much more thought. (Same with Ruby Ridge, which was around that time.)
I realize how inconsistent that is, since I've been railing against GW Bush's police state for the last five years. In retrospect of course I should have been more concerned about the police state tactics of Clinton's administration, instead of pushing it to the back of my mind just because I liked Clinton and disliked rightwing cult groups. Now that the shoe is on the other foot...
On the other hand, there were militia groups and survivalist groups popping out of the woodwork during the mid-1990s (and the people who always talked about Black Helicopters). These groups seem to be silent now, unless they've gone underground.
Now that I'm older and wiser (?) I think the most important issue is keeping a watchful eye on our government, no matter which party is in power. I hope we can all put aside partisanship (which I've been guilty of) and maintain a close watch on our government, even when we like the current administration.
Sorry for the long ramble. Great post.
Tom Harper: the most important issue is keeping a watchful eye on our government, no matter which party is in power.
I agree. Vigilance is required to preserve our freedoms.
On the other hand, there were militia groups and survivalist groups popping out of the woodwork during the mid-1990s (and the people who always talked about Black Helicopters). These groups seem to be silent now, unless they've gone underground.Tom Harper
I was only five years old in 1993, but I have done research on the subject.
Tom,
Being from Missouri I also remember these groups even at a young age. Most of them hated both the Democrats and Republicans so I can't figure out why they are silent now. Also, my grandmother seen black helicopters in the town where she lived which held about 100 people. The military would always fly over our town a few days or in the case of Iraq, a week before they bombed anyone. It happened in 1998, 2001, and 2003. I have not seen them since 03. I am guessing the helicopters were part of the war on drugs and not the United Nations, but who would know.
I remember Janet Reno and President Clinton showing no regard for human life. I remember watching our government abuse its power.
How are things going with your great great grandchild David?
Took me a while to get back and answer. I was the grounds keeper on a 13 acre estate. I saw the news when I came in the house for a break. I was angry because our government attacked a home/church knowing that their were women and children inside.Frightened by the thought of the government being able to go after someone because of their religious beliefs Disappointed because there was little to no outrage. Kind of makes you think we could add a verse to an old poem/story. Then they came for the Branch Davidians but I didn't take a stand because I'm a (you fill in the religion). We should still be demanding an investigation. The one we got was a farce.
Jake, I've seen dark green to black helicopters fly over this area too, unmarked as near as I could tell. My wife sat at a railroad crossing for a half an hour watching a train that was hauling military vehicles. All painted black and unmarked.
American crusader, the Grand Daughter had us worried today. It looked like she was going into labor at six months. She was out at the hospital most of the day. Then they sent her home. Bed rest for a week.
Looks like I forgot my closing.
God bless America, God Save The Republic
I can't do that, Jake. I don't have cable, don't want it and get three channels on regular tv that we don't watch except for my son's Saturday morning cartoons.
Aside from that, I'll keep my eyes open to see if I can find it at a reasonable price or for rent.
David, a personal note re your grand daughter. In the most carefully planned pregnancy in the history of humanity, Mrs.Traven was discovered to be carrying twins (I merely took the new child budget and multiplied x 2!) and went into labor at 7 months. We went to the hospital where she was administered medications which stopped the labor and sent home after an overnight stay. There were strict orders of COMPLETE bed rest and she carried the duo to full term. Be sure your grand daughter adheres to the doctor's instructions. Your family is in our thoughts. Good luck!
Thanks for reminding us about Waco siege in April 19, 1993 and the Battles of Lexington and Concord in April 19,1775. God Bless America
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